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In the Beginning..

J. W. Burns

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John Green

The British Columbia Classics

Sasquatch Country


My chat with John Green
July 23, 2004
Harrison Hot Springs, B.C., Canada
( Until this time it has appeared only on the Bigfoot Information Project! )

Q: Every time I come into Harrison, I look up at the mountains around this beautiful lake and I think of the old Indian tales about how the sasquatch used to hold Summer reunions over on Mt. Morris ..and stories of people being chased by the creature. Did you ever set much store in those stories in the early days?

A: I'm not any kind of expert on Indian information. The culture that we live in is almost unique in making a clear distinction between the real and the unreal. We have to assign everything to one side or the other. Most cultures have not and do not do that, including the culture of the Indians of North America.

Q:You're referring to how important myths are...?

A: My whole career in this is trying to answer the question of where this animal fits into reality. This is a question that in the Indian culture hasn't even been asked. So information from within that culture doesn't help answer this question.

Q: When you first came to Harrison, you knew of J.W. Burns?

A: He was no longer here. I never met him.

Q: But you knew of the stories he had told.

A: I grew up in Vancouver where the stories were familiar.

Q: You were pretty much a skeptic back in those days?

A: Yes.

Q: So what happened? What made you believe-

A: Well, for one thing, the word "believe" really isn't appropriate. It's used all the time, but it's ridiculous. I encountered what would in any other case be considered solid evidence that there was something to this.

Q: Was this the set of tracks that were found in Eureka?

A: No, it was before that. In 1957 Harrison got a lot of publicity by proposing to have a sasquatch hunt during the BC centennial celebration. A fellow who worked for me was talking to the custodian at the high school named [Essa Tifney]. This subject had become quite a topic of conversation. This man had seen the tracks at Ruby Creek back in 1941. I knew he was a well respected person so I went and talked to him. He described the tracks and even drew an outline of how he recalled them.

Q: Unfortunately, there were no casts.

A: There was a cast. By this time it no longer existed. It had been made by a deputy sheriff who had come up from Bellingham. A man who'd been investigating this. I don't know that much about him, but one of his children did tell us that he had a whole room full of material when he died, so he obviously was seriously investigating it. One of the family gave me a tracing of this cast that matched superficially the drawing that had been made by [Essa]. It was actually on the floor of a garage that he was building, so of course I didn't have it, but it appeared very similar to the tracing that I received a few months later from the deputy's family.

The other thing is that the local game guide was Jack Kirkman. His wife Martha was a cousin of Mrs. George Chapman who had seen the creature at Ruby Creek. The Kirkman's were friends of ours so I talked about it with them. She had said the experience had pretty well ruined her cousin's life. She had become an alcoholic and it was something she couldn't get over. Then I talked later on to Mr. and Mrs. Chapman, but I hadn't known them previously. It was the association with these two people who I did know, and of course in the newspaper business getting information from people and deciding if it was accurate is part of the job. These people seemed entirely credible. With regard to the footprints, we had contacted other people who had seen them since they required an explanation.

Then there were other accounts that came out because the Vancouver newspapers made a really big thing out of the sasquatch hunt idea. They literally had sasquatch included in their front page index for quite a few weeks. They were generating stories. One of those was a fellow from Vernon who had a sighting up near Flood between Coquitlam and Hope in 1955.

The other was a very detailed description by a fellow up at Tete Jaune Cache by the name of William Roe whom I later learned was in contact with a zoologist about Buffalo and was considered to be a very reliable and informed source. I never met Roe. He was living in Cloverdale at the time the story came out, but he moved to Edmonton very shortly afterward. He did send me a written account of what he had seen and he went to the city hall and had it attested to (link: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1083).

Q: Is that not the same thing Ostman did?

A: Well, I took the local magistrate to see Ostman.

Q: That was your idea to have an affidavit?

A: At that time I thought that this would have some effect in making these things be taken more seriously. Turns out that was not the case so I don't bother doing it anymore.

Q: We all know that footprints are the main source of evidence of the sasquatch, except for the Skookum Cast, obviously.

A: I like to look at it in the opposite way. The footprints are real. Indisputably real. They require an explanation.

Q: As Danhinden said, something's making the goddamn footprints!

A: Something's making them. Yeah, right. It's getting awfully close to fifty years ago. No explanation for those footprints, other than the existence of an animal with feet like that and sufficient weight, has been presented

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John Green

Thomas Steenburg

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